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25 September 2010 @ 07:52 pm
The Secret of Ka part 2  

a representative of christopher pikes replied to me and basically made a complete ass of himself. He also called me a "crazy person"! please go look!.

saving these here in case amazon deletes them:

Initial post: Sept. 25, 2010 3:12 PM PDT
Michael Brite says:
Hi, I work as one of Christopher Pike's editors. Please allow me to answer the below questions in order. The remarks contain mostly inaccurate information. Even where the points are technically correct, they are twisted to distort what the author intended.

1. Pike never wrote that Istanbul was the capital of Turkey. I have his original manuscript and he said it was the "largest" city in Turkey. The insertion of capital must have crept into the book during the editorial or copyediting stages. However, Pike should have caught the change to his original document, and he is always willing to takes the blame for what goes in his books. He accepts the blame for this mistake. It is an error he hopes to fix when the book is reprinted.

2. Is Turkey an Arabic country? Is Iraq an Arabic country? If you ask the Kurds in Turkey or Iraq if they are Arabs, they will probably say no, although many might say yes. This is because Iraq, as well as Turkey, are made up of various tribes. In history, Turkey was the home of the great Ottoman Empire, which spread the Arabic culture over much of Europe. Remember, the author must stay true to Sara's level of understanding of Arab culture. She sees the Middle East as largely Arabic, and would be surprised to learn that Iranians often refer to themselves as Persians. But in the course of the book, if Sara went around pointing out such subtle distinctions, no one would believe it. The girl has only just arrived in Turkey.

3. "Hell" is a swear word all over the world, particularly in Islamic countries, where the people do not swear as casually as they do in America.

4. No where does Pike state that bloody wars are being fought outside Sara's hotel. She makes a joke that her father "acts" like battles are being waged outside their Hilton. Most people get the joke and don't take her comment literally. Sara makes frequent jokes throughout the book. .

5. The gentleman who picked Pike up from the airport in Turkey wore a turban. So Pike put it in his book. For that matter, Pike has had met many taxi drivers in London and New York who wear turbans. He mentions turbans only once, and no where else does he refer to people wearing them; thus, he does not try to make the reader believe that turbans are common.

6. Amesh is the main Turk in the book. He has straight hair.

7. When Amesh calls his grandfather "Papi," that is his personal name for him. Otherwise, Amesh is speaking English to Sara, and often calls his granfather "Grandfather." Once again, Amesh is the main Turkish character in the novel and his name is a slight distortion of perhaps the most popular male name in Turkey. The names of all the young villians listed in the book are all Turkish names taken straight out of a book on Turkey. Names are just names -- in America we use names from every culture in the world. Pike used the name Mira for variety. He did not want every Turk to have a Turkish name -- that would not be realistic. But the majority do. Simply count the number of characters -- in the entire book, not the first five pages -- and compare them to a list of Turkish names.

8. Sara and Amesh drive outside Istanbul to reach the desert. Pike does not say the desert is inside Istanbul. But he does go out of his way to point out the sudden change in the terrain after Sara and Amesh leave the city.

9. The construction site Sara visits with Amesh is largely occupied by male laborers. Like in America, it would be odd to have woman doing hard physical labor while building a hydroelectric plant. This is summer, it is hot where these men are working. They would be wearing the least amount of clothing possible, and it is a fact the Turkish people are more conservative than Americans when it comes to sexual matters. It is, after all, an Islamic culture. It is doubtful the men would casually leave a dusty dig site, for lunch, and sit beside a clean Turkish woman. However, Pike demonstrates this is not an unbreakable custom when he has Sara eat with the men!

10. Spielo is the name of a Turkish friend of Mr. Pike's. He wanted to be in the book.

11. Pike never says Turkish women wear veils. Sara meets ONE woman wearing a veil and is immediately suspicious of her because of her dress. In this scene, Pike drops a big hint that this woman is NOT Turkish.

12. As far as the final threat to cut off Pike's hands....Pike is flattered that his book made such a deep impression on you that you would want to go to so much trouble on his behalf. Pike embraces fans of all types, especially the crazy ones.

my reply:
Okay Michael,

You have no idea how incredibly angry and offended I am. I am a Turk and I can guarantee you that I am not an Arab nor are the 7+ million Turks in the world Arabs. You really don't seem to have any sort of clue whatsoever that no Arab would ever consider a Turk an Arab, it's just extremely offensive. You are hitting very sore nerves with that one so don't even go there.

#3 Turkey is a SECULAR COUNTRY. And yes people curse just as freely these as they do here. Why are you talking to me like you actually know anything about Turkey? Have you ever lived there? I have!

#4 "If you could believe my father, bloody wards were being waged outside out hotel every night." That really doesn't sound like a joke to me.

#5 London and New York have a large population of Sikhs who wear Turbans. Turkey does not have Sikhs, also Sikhs are not Muslim. Total culture fail.

#6 that's fine but why does he have an Indian name and why does the book say that a majority of Turks have curly hair when they do not?

#7 AMESH is not a slight variation of anything remotely Turkish. These excuses are really insulting.

#8 WHERE IS THIS DESERT? FIND IT FOR ME ON A MAP. Because I lived in Istanbul for many years and never knew there was one. In fact I'm looking at the map right now, there are no deserts anywhere nearby.

#9 again you have no idea what you are talking about but thank you for trying to explain my own culture (extremely inaccurately and offensively) to me. it is not an unbreakable custom BECAUSE THERE IS NO SUCH CUSTOM.

#10 ok whatever, its still not a Turkish name and veils are a HUGE no-no even for tourists.

#11 calling me "crazy" and claiming that I am making "threats" for pointing out all the inaccuracies in his book is really not endearing him to me whatsoever.

You guys should really be ashamed of yourselves. Instead of trying to fix mistakes you're trying to explain to a Turkish person that you guys know more about her culture than she does. Bravo, ignorant arrogance hits a new low.

The sad part is, if you guys had only asked, i would have helped you fix all the errors for free.

oh my god i am so angry right now~~~

EDIT - As it turns out Michael Brite is actually Christopher Pike himself. I am amazed.

someone on the amazon thread found this is a different discussion:

In reply to an earlier post on May 26, 2010 2:59 PM PDT
Michael Brite says:
"This is Pike,
This is the real Christopher Pike, ignore the name this response appears under. I use many names online. The Eternal Dawn is a sequel to the other books. Sita is alive and well and the book explains in detail why Seymour portrayed her as dead at the end of the sixth book. Seymour is in the new books, although he does appear until half way through the first book. I feel the new ones are stronger than the old ones. Thirst 3 will be about 400 pages. I'm finished writing the main story but I'm in the editing stage. Yours, Pike "
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bs_08bs_08 on September 26th, 2010 03:46 am (UTC)
NO BECAUSE KURDS ARE KURDS they are not arab or turk. many WILL NOT say yes because ALL of them know the difference between kurd turk and arab. *bangs head into desk repeatedly*

i live in america but i'm form turkey and lived there off and on for over 10 years. i'll be moving back there in 2012 actually.
lady_fellshotlady_fellshot on September 26th, 2010 03:10 am (UTC)
I'm going to play the devil's advocate for a moment. Your review does have something of a crazy-ish tone to it. I completely understand that this was an epic failure in the suspension of disbelief department, which any writer should be thoroughly ashamed of (especially if their books are getting shipped overseas). However, I'm a little lost as to why the rest of it was awful.

Was there anything else about the book that was utterly atrocious?
bs_08bs_08 on September 26th, 2010 03:18 am (UTC)
i didn't get past chapter 2 so i cant really answer that. his mistakes were so unforgivable that the rest of the story didn't matter. it could have been harry potter quality but i wouldn't know.

there was a scene in chapter 1 where "the cute boy" is trying to deliver a package that needs to get scanned and the girl grabs the package (basically because he is bored and feeling bitchy) and REFUSES to let the front desk agent scan it even though the scanning is very important and takes only a few seconds. that part got on my nerves too. (but it has nothing to do with turkish inaccuracies)

is there a reason for playing devils advocate? honestly judging from chapter 1 ans 2... IF everything had been accurate it still would have only got 3 stars from me. the characters were obnoxious.
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Porcelina of the Vast Oceanspeefy on September 26th, 2010 03:12 am (UTC)
I am absolutely horrified. Way to be a f-ing professional, Michael; if he's claiming to "represent" Christopher Pike as an editor, he's doing a really great job if his goal is to make Pike's readers lose respect for Pike.

It isn't the job of an Editor to be tracking down people complaining about their clients' books in order to "correct" them. People have varying opinions about books, that doesn't make anyone's opinion better or more valid than the opinion of anyone else, and by sending you this e-mail, he was not only undermining your ability to have your own opinions as a reader, but also undermining your heritage and home and experience as a member of a country he "knows so much more about than you."

Did he leave any sort of company contact information when he e-mailed you? If he did, I'd type up a very formal complaint against him and send it to someone above him in the company, if possible, or hell, to Christopher Pike himself.

Sorry for exploding rage about this, too, but just know your own rage is so well deserved, I can't even. I'm so sorry you had to deal with such an arrogant, ignorant jerk.
bs_08bs_08 on September 26th, 2010 03:20 am (UTC)
thank you, you have no idea what that means to me to be told that other people understand what i'm going through. being called a 'crazy person' is so depressing. he replied to me publicly on an amazon webpage and then went on to make his own 5-star review pasting the entire message on there.

i'm thinking about complaining to the publishing company. i'm going to go research where to write...
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Gwenyveregwenyvere4 on September 26th, 2010 03:23 am (UTC)
What a complete, unprofessional ASSHOLE. He clearly has NO idea what he's talking about.

I lived in Turkey for several years, and I agree with you on every single point. I'm especially super-amused by his extra-superior knowledge about Turks being Arabs (does he think being MUSLIM is the same thing as being an Arab? BECAUSE ITS NOT!). It's also so typically ignorant to say Turkey is desert. There are NO DESERTS in Turkey. None. Period. And the rest? Such total bullshit it's *almost* funny.

Tell homes to come over here if he wants to continue to act superior about a subject he clearly knows nothing about. I'll be happy to scan him some pictures to demonstrate several of your points.
bs_08bs_08 on September 26th, 2010 03:47 am (UTC)
thanks! i'm still trying to figure out what desert these morons are talking about.
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Direst Ryl: DTPryl on September 26th, 2010 03:35 am (UTC)
This immediately jumped out at me:
I work as one of Christopher Pike's editors. ... The insertion of capital must have crept into the book during the editorial or copyediting stages.

So it's your fault, Mr. Brite? Is that what you're saying?
bs_08bs_08 on September 26th, 2010 03:48 am (UTC)
haha, i was thinking the same thing.
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Grand High Supreme and Mighty Empress Connieconuly on September 26th, 2010 04:18 am (UTC)
silverflight8silverflight8 on September 26th, 2010 04:41 am (UTC)
o.0 The ignorance, it is staggering. I feel bad for you. :(
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Hilde: DAAH!valkyriur on September 26th, 2010 06:36 am (UTC)
I love it when "professionals" tell me what my life was/is like because of my race/creed/color/profession/whatever. :/
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alienfishalienfish on September 26th, 2010 07:57 am (UTC)
Did you really only read the first two chapters, though?
bs_08bs_08 on September 26th, 2010 08:03 am (UTC)
no i read up to page 96. ( i read the book through the look inside function on amazon.com.. that's normally how i check to see if i will like the book before buying it, however there were so many errors i ended up doing a page by page list, i got up to chapter 2 before i quit, i was too angry to continue. but i read up to page 96. about 1/4th of a 400+ page book. )

look inside function:
PolarisDiBpolarisdib on September 26th, 2010 11:22 am (UTC)
I am a semi-professional filmmaker. I have put stuff like student films and projects I've worked on and independent shorts I've shot online (as well as made straight-up YouTube videos for the practice of it), and have by very nature of exposing myself online received some very hurtful, mean, highly critical, and sometimes even angry and aggressive commments on them.

And I have never responded to a single one. Because I am trying to be a professional.

Editor dude's trying to fight snark with snark (honestly, wishing hands of author gets lobbed off is snark) but he really shouldn't be saying anything at all. What I'm wondering off hand is if Pike actually did ask this guy to "represent him" or if Pike has some major damage control to do in light of some company editor gonna go screw it up for everybody. Career No-Nos 101, people.

Finally, in reference to the "Well there is a degree of artistic license..." debate above, I will put myself on the record as saying that any writer of non-Turkish decent writing about Turkey is going to have inaccuracies no matter how much research they do (hell, Turkish writers are going to say things Turkish people don't agree with, it's called the "burden of representation"), but what's clear here is that Christopher Pike and editors think Turkey IS Iraq. That's just what is, flat out. I think fearing to write inaccuracies is no reason to not write about a culture one finds interesting and even fantastic or enchanting, however in this day and age it really, really is not that difficult to Google Earth the damn thing and be like, "Damn, that desert sands interlude I wanted to write won't fit there unless I set this in the global warming destroyed, Muslim-hegemonic world culture controlled, first ever cyber-genie fantasy sci fi Turkey of the future." Then deserts and Arabs and Muslims and Sikhs and what-the-fuck-ever can be placed wherever you please.

(Note to self: Write first ever cybergenie novel).

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psychedeliceyes on September 26th, 2010 04:17 pm (UTC)
What a disgustingly unprofessional thing to do! I honestly can't wrap my head around the fact that he's trying to explain your own culture to you.
miritsu: 0_0miritsu on September 26th, 2010 05:29 pm (UTC)
*cough* I hope you don't mind, I couldn't resist posting a small comment to him for being so rude and stupid.

On the positive end, I knew nothing about Turkey, but now I'm getting interested. :)
bs_08bs_08 on September 26th, 2010 09:18 pm (UTC)
i saw your post! thank you so much! i'm sure after sleeping on it he feels like a complete idiot!

turkey is a very nice place. it tries very hard to be modern and european (which is good but not so good as far as conservation of culture and tradition goes)

this website is where i go to satisfy all of my turkish soap opera needs (it is a legitimate turkish television site, not a pirate site) if you're interested in what turks look sound and act like, this is the place to start. unlike many countries, turkish tv tends to pick average looking people that look like real people as opposed to supermodels to play their characters.
sorry no subtitles.
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the storm rosefabricalchemist on September 26th, 2010 06:48 pm (UTC)
This is ridiculous! You have some pretty legit concerns, and calling you "crazy" is so insultingly dismissive that it makes me wonder if this is really a representative of Christopher Pike (if not Christopher Pike himself, defending his book under an "official" channel"). Ughhh.
bs_08bs_08 on September 26th, 2010 09:22 pm (UTC)
yeah i was thinking that too! especially because his only other two reviews are also 5 starred christopher pike books. jeez, what a clown! and i'm the crazy one! (though looking back, i do admit that my post was reminiscient of a 5 year old girl throwing a tantrum in the middle of a busy grocery store the first time. 'but mommii i wanniiittt waaaaaah!' LOL

his fake review and his comments to me have been deleted by amazon and justice is served!
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psychedeliceyes on September 26th, 2010 08:27 pm (UTC)
I'm taking another look and I think it might be Christopher Pike himself. The way he references the author just seems off.

Pike is flattered

Pike embraces fans of all types

Pike used the name Mira for variety

He accepts the blame for his mistake

Pike would probably laugh at such an email

I don't know, he just makes a lot of assumptions about what the author would feel, say, or do. Granted, they might have a close personal relationship as author and editor so he could feel comfortable making those assumptions but it seemed to me like the author was trying to come to his own defense in a roundabout sort of way. Also, I checked under his name and, of course, he had reviewed all of Christopher Pike's books with five star ratings and he had "writer" under his title. (Not to say that he can't be an editor *and* an author, just that it seems odd given that he's using the account to present himself as an editor.)

But seriously, I'm just hoping that an editor would be more professional than this. I've seen authors brew shitstorms of this variety plus it seems to me that an author would feel more inclined to defend his own book than his editor would.

Just a thought.
bs_08bs_08 on September 26th, 2010 09:29 pm (UTC)
no i totally agree. i noticed it too. either it's pike himself or it really is an extremely new and inexperienced editor who has no idea that he is probably going to get fired or at least reprimanded and humiliated for his stupidity (i literally emailed 3 different places on hachette's website) not to mention i am sure the real chris pike (if it isnt michael himself) would take a look and go 'michael wtf are you doing?'

i think the most professional thing would have been to not reply or, if he must reply just be like

'i apologize for the errors, the book came out in a rush and we put our trust in some sources we shouldn't have, we take full responsibility and promise to do a more thorough research in the future. we hope that despite the inaccuracies in the story, you were at least able to enjoy the characters and the fantastical adventures they had. sincerely chris pike and team'

dude, my heart would have melted! i would have bumped the review to two stars and removed all my snark and all-caps. give the bear some honey!
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Gwenyveregwenyvere4 on September 26th, 2010 09:48 pm (UTC)
I noticed that amazon has deleted his comments. Interesting, I would say.
Reneemuskeeterrowan on September 26th, 2010 11:11 pm (UTC)
10 bucks says he loses his job..lol. AND I am laughing my butt off at his review for Pike's Thirst book. I read the books when they were first published and even though I loved them, I can't believe his review. Not to mention he never once mentions that it's a omnibus of the first three in the series.
Grand High Supreme and Mighty Empress Connieconuly on September 27th, 2010 03:16 pm (UTC)
It has Lord Krishna from, like, the Indian Bible! But it's not religious or anything, heaven forbid. It's just the best book EVER, that's all!
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Grand High Supreme and Mighty Empress Connieconuly on September 27th, 2010 02:49 pm (UTC)
Because you saved it for posterity, I hope you don't mind me crossposting the original comment (which has since been deleted) to a thread on Christopher Pike elsewhere. I'm figuring you don't, it was available publicly, but if you do please tell me.
bs_08bs_08 on September 27th, 2010 08:02 pm (UTC)
oh please do! the more attention this guys unprofessionalism gets, the better! can i get the link?
Grand High Supreme and Mighty Empress Connieconuly on September 27th, 2010 03:15 pm (UTC)
Have you read your dear friend's other reviews, btw? They're actually a little creepy. I actually hope this "Michael Brite" is Pike, because otherwise Christopher Pike should be informed about his disturbing stalker on staff.
Grand High Supreme and Mighty Empress Connieconuly on September 28th, 2010 01:28 am (UTC)
EDIT - As it turns out Michael Brite is actually Christopher Pike himself. I am amazed.


Well, at least I'm not worried about his general health and well-being anymore.
miritsu: Maa-chan's Inada-himemiritsu on September 28th, 2010 04:09 am (UTC)
EDIT - As it turns out Michael Brite is actually Christopher Pike himself. I am amazed.

Actually, I think that makes more sense. Don't mistake me, his posts were still both mean and unprofessional. But the way he took your comments personally...it wouldn't make sense if it was just the guy who edited the book. The guy who wrote it obviously feels stupid at being called out...the amazing part is that he was childish enough to attack you in return!
bs_08bs_08 on September 28th, 2010 04:22 am (UTC)
yeah if he had not commented it would have just been an immature hissy fit thrown by an angry reader (yeah i am a bit embarrassed about how angry i was but i was really mad when i wrote all that, i can see it for what it is now that i'm not mad anymore.)

but after he did all that and it was found out that the michael guy is really him, he really shot himself in the foot. and yesterday before i knew the whole truth, i had emailed hachette his publishing company, about one of their employees named michael brite harassing me on my review, how funny will it be if they actually bother to go look at the review and discover that the person harassing me is actually chris pike!
i_hate_music: batgirli_hate_music on September 28th, 2010 10:19 am (UTC)
lol @ turkey being a muslim country.
"They call me Mimi. I don't know why."gabbygrl on September 28th, 2010 08:28 pm (UTC)
What a douchecanoe.
Allie: Snape fashionistacyranothe2nd on September 29th, 2010 04:46 am (UTC)
Yay, another author I can add to the "never read again" list, along with Anne Rice and Diana Gabaldon
Audrey J. Sterling: Spider Jerusalemascian on September 30th, 2010 02:13 am (UTC)
What a gigantic douchebag. The sockpuppetry is just so pathetic. As for the book... eegh. He should have just called it Agrabah since he's clearly got this cartoonish amalgamation of 'middle-easterny' elements as his model of what Turkey is like. This guy is treating a REAL PLACE the way RenFaires treat the middle ages; like it's just a made up idiom that you can bullshit your way through. His 'Turkey' is as good a representation of the real place as Taco Bell is a Mexican embassy. What a pathetic hack.